Haha! As a dog owner, I have to concur that the idea of sitting on top of giant rottweilers and riding them up and down dungeon corridors seems more improbable than unicorns and sex with modrons.
I find it to be a silly image, and it conjures memories of Labyrinth. If that's your bag, go with it, but it would never fit in my idea of a D&D world. I also don't like badgers as opponents in D&D, no matter how fierce they may be in real life.
There was this David Weber series of books set on a planet with roughly Civil War technology very earnest in tone--in which they characters rode dogs. It was just such a painfully stupid mental image that I couldn't make it through the first book.
@matt, that's why you ride up by the shoulders not down on their hips.
I find it odd folks find this issue too silly but an awful lot of other D&D gets a pass. Sure we have lot's of real life experience with dogs so that can cause some skepticism, but we have darned little real life experience with riding dogs , or dragons, or elves, or dudes in pointy hats casting spells...
Yeah, J.D., I'm not going to get into the physics of it or whether or not a dog is as suited for riding as a horse or a pony or a goat or a pig... I just imagine that if I were small enough and my dog were big enough that I could saddle her up and sit on her back, she would probably spend all day trying to turn around so she could see me while I was sitting on her shoulders and I would just get really dizzy. Plus if we were riding along and she came upon a pile of fresh goose poop, she would insist on either eating it (yuck) or rolling in it (even worse). No riding dogs for me. If I come back as a little person, I'll saddle up a goat or a pigh or a Shetland pony.
Wow, I'm amazing that this "quip" post that took a minute to write is one of the most commented upon posts on this blog.
@ Limpley: The rolling in poop issue is why I I find a riding dog funny; and I'm also wondering if the 3E design team was thinking something along the lines of "God forbid that the Halflings make do with something lame and uncool like a pony!"
However, for some reason, I do dig Gamma World Podogs; hypocrisy is the greatest luxury...
Sure, huth. Traditionally domesticated animals like dogs, horses, oxen, sheep, pigs, etc. are well-associated with humanity, while "wild" undomesticable animals like the bear, tiger, snake, and shark are associated with the nonhuman wilderness. This is part of why they feel more comfortable to us - they do what we say!
Note that trained animals are different from domesticated ones.
I think wolves got a bad rap from European wolf-killing practices (they eat food we want to eat, so butcher them all!) otherwise they might be seen as just proto-dogs or something.
Who would ride them? Fraggles. Genius. Maybe highly sexualized Fraggles.
I'd allow riding ostriches, ruminants and giant bugs. I dislike riding members of the weasel family - I reckon they'd just reach right back and bite the rider - and riding cats just seems wrong to me, but you know, it's fantasy (waves airily as if that was an argument).
Haha! As a dog owner, I have to concur that the idea of sitting on top of giant rottweilers and riding them up and down dungeon corridors seems more improbable than unicorns and sex with modrons.
ReplyDeleteSex with modrons? LOL
ReplyDeleteI used to ride the family dog Woodstock when I was 2, he was a big german Shepard mix.
ReplyDeleteit's possible to ride a dog: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98fxCgedxnE
Not much sillier the a dude with pointy ears conjuring fireballs.
Riding dog = Genetically and/or magically engineered wolfhound.
ReplyDeleteI find it to be a silly image, and it conjures memories of Labyrinth. If that's your bag, go with it, but it would never fit in my idea of a D&D world. I also don't like badgers as opponents in D&D, no matter how fierce they may be in real life.
ReplyDeleteEven Dire badgers?
ReplyDeleteBadger-liches?
ReplyDeleteThat's why the Germans knew the only use for dogs as war transport was by pulling carts.
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There was this David Weber series of books set on a planet with roughly Civil War technology very earnest in tone--in which they characters rode dogs. It was just such a painfully stupid mental image that I couldn't make it through the first book.
ReplyDeleteI meant David Drake not Weber.
ReplyDeleteAs an ex- dog owner, I totally grok riding dogs.
ReplyDeleteWell, my dog sometimes sits on my lap.
ReplyDeleteThey might have been fans of Gamma World? LOL
ReplyDeleteMy campaign worlds have have dwarven riding lizards for a very long time now.
ReplyDeleteBig dogs have bad hips.
ReplyDelete@matt, that's why you ride up by the shoulders not down on their hips.
ReplyDeleteI find it odd folks find this issue too silly but an awful lot of other D&D gets a pass. Sure we have lot's of real life experience with dogs so that can cause some skepticism, but we have darned little real life experience with riding dogs , or dragons, or elves, or dudes in pointy hats casting spells...
I find it odd folks find this issue too silly but an awful lot of other D&D gets a pass.
ReplyDeleteI think you nailed it: because we actually have dogs in the real world, and because we don't use them as mounts, it's harder to suspend disbelief.
But the flumph? Natch.
Yeah, J.D., I'm not going to get into the physics of it or whether or not a dog is as suited for riding as a horse or a pony or a goat or a pig... I just imagine that if I were small enough and my dog were big enough that I could saddle her up and sit on her back, she would probably spend all day trying to turn around so she could see me while I was sitting on her shoulders and I would just get really dizzy. Plus if we were riding along and she came upon a pile of fresh goose poop, she would insist on either eating it (yuck) or rolling in it (even worse).
ReplyDeleteNo riding dogs for me. If I come back as a little person, I'll saddle up a goat or a pigh or a Shetland pony.
Wow, I'm amazing that this "quip" post that took a minute to write is one of the most commented upon posts on this blog.
ReplyDelete@ Limpley: The rolling in poop issue is why I I find a riding dog funny; and I'm also wondering if the 3E design team was thinking something along the lines of "God forbid that the Halflings make do with something lame and uncool like a pony!"
However, for some reason, I do dig Gamma World Podogs; hypocrisy is the greatest luxury...
@ Robo: Look at those happy, goofy German Shepards! It must be the "before" picture...
ReplyDeleteI thought 'Riding Dogs' were just the Lawful version of Goblin Riding Wolves...
ReplyDeleteSure, huth. Traditionally domesticated animals like dogs, horses, oxen, sheep, pigs, etc. are well-associated with humanity, while "wild" undomesticable animals like the bear, tiger, snake, and shark are associated with the nonhuman wilderness. This is part of why they feel more comfortable to us - they do what we say!
ReplyDeleteNote that trained animals are different from domesticated ones.
I think wolves got a bad rap from European wolf-killing practices (they eat food we want to eat, so butcher them all!) otherwise they might be seen as just proto-dogs or something.
Oh man now we need Riding Flumphs. Of course there is no such thing as a War Flupmh. Who would ride them?
ReplyDeleteFraggles.
I gotcher Flumphs right here...
ReplyDeleteRiding shark. YES riding snake.
ReplyDeleteWho would ride them? Fraggles.
Genius. Maybe highly sexualized Fraggles.
I'd allow riding ostriches, ruminants and giant bugs. I dislike riding members of the weasel family - I reckon they'd just reach right back and bite the rider - and riding cats just seems wrong to me, but you know, it's fantasy (waves airily as if that was an argument).
My irritable flying riding whale. You go wherever he wants to go.